Counterterrorism Cops Try To Build Bridges With Muslim Communities

Dec 21, 2015
Originally published on January 3, 2016 10:38 pm

The attack that killed 14 people in San Bernardino, Calif., earlier this month raised the alarm over so-called homegrown terrorism, attacks that aren't necessarily coordinated from overseas.

A few days after the massacre, FBI Director James Comey described the challenges of detecting those threats in a hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

"Critical to our finding those people who are radicalizing in their homes is tips from the community," Comey said. "We have worked very, very hard to develop good relationships in communities all across the country — especially in Muslim communities."

But the FBI is regarded by many American Muslims with suspicion, in part because of misgivings about a legacy of federal sting operations that are perceived by some as efforts to entrap Muslims into planning theoretical terrorist attacks.

Local law enforcement, on the other hand, says it is well-positioned to develop relationships with Muslim communities.

"It's no different than how we work with young people who want to join gangs," says Sheriff Rich Stanek of Hennepin County in Minnesota, where local law enforcement has been struggling with the question of how to dissuade the youth of recent Somali immigrants from becoming radicalized. "We want to know what's happening in the communities, and that's all based on trust. Local law enforcement has to trust them, and in order for that to happen, they have to be able to trust us."

This approach is often called countering violent extremism, or CVE, a philosophy built on the idea that law enforcement can help isolated communities such as recent immigrants to feel more invested in society and, as a result, make them more likely to detect threats such as self-radicalization.

"In a sense, it's an adaptation for counterradicalization purposes of good old-fashioned community policing methods," says Anders Strindberg of the Naval Postgraduate School's Center for Homeland Defense and Security. Local police are ideally situated to bring marginalized immigrant communities into the mainstream, he says — and make them more likely to report threats.

"I know this sounds kind of crunchy," he says, "but what you really need are communities that feel a level of trust and integration that allows them to reach out."

This philosophy is officially part of the federal government's anti-terrorism strategy, but Strindberg says it's been hampered by an internal struggle over whether the FBI or Homeland Security should take the lead and over what the role of local police should be. Strindberg says that debate has been "vitriolic" and has wasted valuable time.

There's been skepticism among Muslims. "If there is such a program — which I don't believe there is in the United States — it's an idea, it's a framework," says Salam Al-Marayati, president of the Muslim Public Affairs Council. Marayati says CVE suffers from being too vague about its goals. He wants to make sure these friendly, relationship-building cops don't start asking questions about religion or social customs. And, he says, people need to be clear about what should be reported to police and what shouldn't.

"I mean, if it's stockpiling ammunition in somebody's apartment and buying explosives, of course they should report that kind of behavior. But if it's just about how a person is dressed, or how a person is religious, then no," Marayati says.

While some local police have embraced the CVE concept with community engagement officers, Strindberg says those efforts are often hard to maintain, in part because they're hard to quantify.

"The problem with community policing is the metrics are terrible," he says. "The metrics are not about tangible achievements in the sense that a lot of bureaucracies want to have available to them, but rather it's about things that didn't happen."

Still, some cities are pressing forward with this approach. The Los Angeles Police Department's counterterrorism bureau has officers who are dedicated primarily to building relationships with what they call the city's "diaspora" communities. Shawn Alexander, one of those officers, makes a point of telling the people he works with that he's not focused on investigations — even though he's part of counterterrorism. He and his partner, Officer Ashley Jimenez, work in community engagement.

"We're totally separated from our investigators. The hunters and pursuers, we don't engage with them, they don't engage with us," he says. A practicing Muslim, Alexander says that when he visits a mosque or a madrassa in the LA area, he wants to make it clear that he's not there to spy.

"If we're there for information-gathering or investigation purposes or we're trying to get information on the community, it's kind of a slap in the face of the community," Alexander says. "It's like telling the community we're here because we think something is going to happen here. But that's not why we're there."

Does he believe this approach has prevented radicalization or violence? It's impossible to know, Alexander says, but he is convinced of the value of approaching these communities in the role of a public servant and not an investigator.

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And the attack in San Bernardino earlier this month raised the alarm over homegrown terrorism - attacks that aren't necessarily coordinated from overseas. As FBI Director James Comey told the Senate Judiciary Committee this month, detecting independent actors can be hard.

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JAMES COMEY: Critical to our finding those people who are radicalizing in their homes is tips from the community. We have worked very, very hard to develop good relationships in communities all across the country, especially in Muslim communities.

MONTAGNE: In fact, many American Muslims have come to regard the FBI with suspicion. And as NPR's Martin Kaste reports, local police say they're often better positioned to get those tips.

MARTIN KASTE, BYLINE: Two Los Angeles police officers are sitting in a modest Indian restaurant passing some time before an appointment. Their business cards say they're part of LAPD's counterterrorism bureau. But Officer Shawn Alexander does not want you to read too much into that.

SHAWN ALEXANDER: We are totally separated from our investigators. The hunters and pursuers - we don't engage with them, they don't engage with us. We're on a totally separate floor.

KASTE: He wants to make that clear because he and his partner, Ashley Jimenez, on are the community engagement side of things. For instance, this appointment they're waiting for - they've been invited to speak at an Islamic madrasa. It's a religious school just a few doors down from here. Alexander says the school is pretty conservative. He's actually surprised they were invited, and he wants to make the right impression.

ALEXANDER: If we're there for information gathering or investigation purposes or we're trying to get information on the community, it's kind of a slap in the face to the community. It's like saying - telling the community that we're here because we think something is going to happen here. But that's not why we're there.

KASTE: But why would counterterrorism cops visit a mosque if they're not looking for information? Because it's the smart thing to do, says Anders Strindberg.

ANDERS STRINDBERG: In a sense, it's an adaptation for counter-radicalization purposes of good old-fashioned community policing methods.

KASTE: Strindberg is an expert in this subject at the Naval Postgraduate School Center for Homeland Defense and Security. He says the cops probably aren't going to spot a self-radicalized potential terrorist. But the community might.

STRINDBERG: And I know this sounds kind of crunchy, but what you really need are communities that feel a level of trust and integration that allows them to reach out.

KASTE: So if the police offer those people services, say extra protection when they feel threatened or advice on dealing with City Hall, then they'll feel invested in the larger society. This approach is sometimes called CVE - countering violent extremism. It's part of the federal antiterrorism strategy, but Strindberg says it's been hampered by competition between the FBI and Homeland Security, as well as a vitriolic - that's his word - argument over the role for local cops. There's skepticism among Muslims, too.

SALAM AL-MARAYATI: If there is such a program, which I don't believe there is in the United States, it's an idea, it's a framework.

KASTE: Salam Al-Marayati is president of the Muslim Public Affairs Council. He says CVE suffers from being too vague about its goals. He wants to make sure these friendly relationship-building cops don't start asking questions about religion or social customs. And he wants people to be clear about what should be reported to the police and what shouldn't.

AL-MARAYATI: I mean, if it's stockpiling ammunition in somebody's apartment and buying explosives, of course they should report that kind of behavior. But if it's just about how a person is dressed or how a person is religious, then no.

UNIDENTIFIED CHILDREN: (Singing in foreign language).

KASTE: The two LAPD officers have now made their entrance at the madrasa. It's a modest storefront packed with traditionally dressed boys and girls. They stare shyly at the officers, and then the kids see something they weren't expecting.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: (Singing in foreign language).

KASTE: As the imam starts the evening prayer, Officer Alexander joins in, kneeling in the first row. He's a Muslim. It's a big reason he does this work. When the prayer is over, the kids crowd around him and his partner.

ALEXANDER: (Foreign language spoken).

KASTE: After he greets them, they pepper the cops with questions. Some of it's about their fear of a backlash. The memory of San Bernardino is still raw in this city. The officers also give advice to a mother who wonders what to do if she's harassed because of her headscarf. And then a little girl demands to know if the officers are detectives.

ALEXANDER: No, we're - we don't drive around a police car and chase bad guys. Our job is to connect with the community and to make sure, like, that the community gets what they need, OK?

KASTE: Then it's time for the pizza party, with the kids begging the officers for LAPD stickers. On the way out of the madrasa, one father points to Officer Alexander and says I'd rather call him than the FBI. Martin Kaste, NPR News, Los Angeles. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.