During the campaign, Donald Trump promised to punish "sanctuary cities" — jurisdictions which limit local law enforcement cooperation with federal immigration enforcement. Since the election, cities such as Chicago and San Francisco have doubled down on their sanctuary policies, saying local police need to build trust with communities, including people in the country illegally. Critics of sanctuary policies say the cities are fostering a sense of amnesty for people who break federal law.
It's a long-running argument, and it's not unique to the U.S. Our neighbors to the north and south have also been grappling with the question of police involvement with national immigration law.
A few Canadian cities have adopted the "sanctuary city" label, but in practice they don't offer the same kind of protection from law enforcement that American sanctuary cities do.
"When American jurisdictions are saying they're sanctuary cities, and they're actually saying they will not cooperate with immigration enforcement, that's a really strong stand," says Harsha Walia, an activist with a Canadian pro-immigration group called No One Is Illegal. "That is not what municipal sanctuary cities here mean at all. They're not at all talking about not collaborating with detention and deportation."
Byron Cruz is a naturalized Canadian citizen, originally from Guatemala, who works with recent immigrants. He says the ones who don't have legal status fear encounters with the police. "There is no protection," he says. "If the Vancouver Police Department gets your name, your name can be accessed by the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA)."
In the U.S., local law enforcement and jails can choose whether to assist federal immigration enforcement; in Canada, local police and jails are usuall expected to help.
"When an individual is subject to the CBSA immigration warrant, the police would be required to notify us of that," says David Lothian, with the Canada Border Services Agency.
In Vancouver, transit police have reported fare-beaters to immigration authorities, and hospitals have notified the CBSA about patients who appear to be in the country illegally. Campaigners have been pushing against that kind of enforcement, and the Vancouver Police Department now say they don't detain people "for the sole purpose of determining their status in Canada." But Walia says people without legal status still have reason to steer clear of cops.
"The VPD doesn't only see its jurisdiction as upholding the criminal code, it sees its jurisdiction as upholding all laws," Walia says "And so they do very much see [immigration law] as part of their law enforcement duties."
Migrants in Mexico
In Mexico, police have been adapting to a different reality, resulting from a 2008 rewrite of its immigration law. "[It] decriminalized migration, so in theory it's no longer a crime to be an illegal immigrant in Mexico," says Jaime Arredondo Sanchez Lira, a former government official and currently resident fellow, at the Center for US-Mexican Studies at the University of California, San Diego.
"That was a consequences of violence ... tied to human trafficking," Arredondo says. By making illegal immigration punishable only by a civil fine, the hope was that migrants moving through Mexico would be less vulnerable to abuse and extortion. Unfortunately, Arredondo says migrants are still often targeted by corrupt police and military.
"Many of the police forces are associated with drug dealers or smugglers, and in many cases they will hand you over [to smugglers] or extort money, or in some sad cases, kill you if you refuse to take part in their activities."
Officially, local police in Mexico aren't supposed to go around asking people about their immigration status, says Alejandro Lares, former chief of municipal police in Tijuana. But things change once they have probable cause of an immigration violation, or the person commits another crime.
"We are able to detain them, and once they're detained, we can actually call Mexican immigration, and they can find out if they're legal or illegal in our country," Lares says.
The American "sanctuary city" concept is largely foreign to Mexico; Lares says local jurisdictions don't prohibit their police from working with national immigration officials.
"I don't think [police] would ever consider not to voluntarily cooperate with an immigration authority," he says, "if things are being done by the book."
More enforcement, but more paths to citizenship
In Vancouver, Canadian immigration lawyer Peter Edelmann says he also sees a difference between the way things are done in his country and the U.S.
"There does seem to be more acceptance of people living undocumented in some of the cities in the United States," he says.
He says he's surprised to hear how people can go for decades in the U.S. without legal status. He says he rarely sees cases of people who go that long without legal status in Canada, but he doesn't think it's just because people are more likely to get caught.
"The other big difference in Canada is that there's a lot more mechanisms for regularizing status," he says. For instance, he says, people brought into the country illegally as children can usually get legal status on humanitarian grounds. So while it's true Canadians enforce immigration law more than the U.S. does, their law can also be more forgiving.
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Donald Trump has vowed to punish sanctuary cities, those that offer a degree of security to people in the country illegally. Much of the argument centers on police and whether local forces should help federal authorities enforce immigration laws. This debate is happening in other countries, too. NPR's Martin Kaste looks at how it's being handled north of the border.
MARTIN KASTE, BYLINE: If you think Canada goes easy on people who come to their country illegally, Harsha Walia says you should think again. She's an activist in Vancouver with a group called No One Is Illegal.
HARSHA WALIA: When I'm in the U.S. and speaking at different events, people have a really hard time understanding how much worse it is in some ways in Canada for people to be undocumented despite the veneer of benevolence and multiculturalism. In many ways, it's so much harder.
KASTE: To be clear, Canada is more welcoming of refugees and other legal immigrants, but there's less tolerance for people here illegally. Canadians use the phrase without status. Estimates vary, but there's probably less than one-fifth as many people like that here as compared to the U.S. That's per capita. Part of the reason is geography, but it's also just tougher for someone without status to get by here, starting with the tools of everyday life.
WALIA: You know, driver's license - out of the question. No jurisdiction issues driver's licenses, right? So the degree of invisibility is so intense.
KASTE: Or take medical care. If you're in Canada illegally, you don't have a health card. And some hospitals have reported their patients to immigration. Byron Cruz is an activist on this issue.
BYRON CRUZ: People were calling us from the hospitals. I was told by the social worker that the Canada border officers are coming to interview me on the weekend, and they are going to take me back to Venezuela or Colombia or Latin America.
KASTE: Cruz led a successful campaign to get the hospitals to stop turning people in, and some Canadian cities now promise to offer certain public services without regard to immigration status. But the activists face a much bigger challenge when it comes to the police.
KASTE: There's a community kitchen in the same Vancouver nonprofit where Cruz has his office, and at the moment, a group of Latin-Americans have gathered for lunch. Some of them have spent time in the U.S., too, in cities where they thought the cops didn't seem that interested in someone's immigration status. Cruz relates one of their stories.
CRUZ: For example, they were on the street in San Francisco, and they were stopped by the police. And they told them, OK, you cannot be in this street or you have to move to this street, or they could accuse them of something else but not about being undocumented or reporting them to immigration.
KASTE: By contrast, here in Vancouver, people have been turned into immigration by the transit police. Because they didn't pay their train fare, they got deported.
CRUZ: There is no protection. If the Vancouver Police Department gets your name, your name can be accessed by the Canada Border Service Agency. They share their database.
KASTE: The Vancouver Police Department says it doesn't detain people just to determine immigration status. That's not our role, is how they put it in an email to NPR. But things change if they book somebody for a crime and an immigration problem pops up. David Lothian is an official with the Canada Border Services Agency.
DAVID LOTHIAN: When an individual is subject to the CBSA immigration warrant, the police would be required to notify us of that.
KASTE: And this seems to be the key difference. In the U.S., local jurisdictions choose whether to help with federal immigration enforcement, but in Canada, that cooperation is expected. It's true that some Canadian cities have adopted the sanctuary city label, but activist Harsha Walia says it doesn't mean much compared with sanctuary policies in the U.S.
WALIA: When American jurisdictions are saying they're sanctuary cities and they're actually saying they will not cooperate with immigration enforcement, that's a really strong stand, right? And it has implications in people's lives because they're protected from immigration enforcement. But that is not what municipal sanctuary cities here mean at all.
KASTE: The difference is also apparent to Peter Edelmann.
PETER EDELMANN: There does seem to be more acceptance of people living undocumented in some of the cities in the United States.
KASTE: Edelmann's an immigration lawyer here. He's surprised when he hears about how things work in the States, how people can go for decades without legal status. Cases like that are rare for him, but he doesn't think it's just because people in Canada get caught more. He says there's another factor at play.
EDELMANN: The other big difference in Canada is that there is a lot more mechanisms for regularizing status.
KASTE: In other words, there are more ways for a person to get legal status, say, on humanitarian grounds. If you can stick it out illegally in Canada for a few years, the lawyers often find a way to get you your papers. So while it's true that Canadians enforce their immigration law more than we do, they've also made that law more forgiving. Martin Kaste, NPR News, Vancouver, B.C. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.